session view navigation with navpad?

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Re: session view navigation with navpad?

Postby TheOtherSupport@KMI » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:54 am

Glad you got it figured out. Was the patch I posted helpful?

Like I've said earlier, unless you totally forego the way the SS works now, and want to build up a custom solution from doing all of the data cooking yourself, there is no way to use the Navpad as a navigation pad in Live. It only seems more logical to you to use it that way, because you are a Live user. It's main function has always been to change presets, and that's what it is best used for. The trouble you are having when trying to change the volume of a track, but instead changing presets, also points to this. It's not easy to use the navpad as four independent triggers in practice.

To send a CC, you can use Y Inc, that's pretty much the only viable option. In a future update we will definitely discuss the possibility of opening up the Navpad, but for now, it's best used as it was intended, to change presets.
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Re: session view navigation with navpad?

Postby slatepipe » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:39 am

hi there

thanks for your continued assistance and advice - much appreciated. your patch is pretty helpful as well.

at the moment i have managed to use pad one for navigation around the session view - it needs some kind of fine tuning though as even though i can go up, down, left and right with it, it sometimes seems to go nuts and go all over the place in the session grid. i have tried the smoothing and delay parts of the data modifiers but they don't seem to help. i am thinking that a 'backlog' of midi signals are building up which ableton (or mfl) can't keep up with and then they all come through at once. there is probably some object in mfl which can filter these midi signals in some way?

the other pads are all working good with arm on/off, rec/play, stop, delete, mute, solo, volume, and two sends, though i can only get one send working at the moment. i'm trying to work out how to use a cc to work on the second send on a track - so using two pads for two separate sends on any track

the big navpad i figure i will use it to switch between other presets for effects or something


thanks in advance for any help again
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Re: session view navigation with navpad?

Postby TheOtherSupport@KMI » Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:23 am

I wouldn't mess with the smoothing or delay at all. Those settings are no good for fine tuning triggers.
As for the box going all over the place, I can't be of much help in that regard, as I'm not sure how you are handling the navigation. All I provided was the means to get 4 triggers from a pad (along with the autoscrolling stuff). If you provide the patch, and I could repro the beahvior I'd be better able to help.

What seems to be the issue with the send? If you can get one working, it shouldn't be too much hasle to get another going. Again, an example of the behavior would help. 'It's not working' doesn't give me much to go on. ;)
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Re: session view navigation with navpad?

Postby slatepipe » Wed Sep 09, 2015 4:01 am

hi

thanks again - here's the code below for the patch that i've made so far, including the parts you made for navigation beforehand. :)

i included a jpg of my softstep editor page for key 1. i got x and y live sending out cc's 0 and 1 which is then picked up by the mfl patch via midiyoke to do the navigation. all the other subpatches do the same thing with just different cc's

as you mention, i'll change the delay back down to 0 later, i got it set at 500 at the moment, i thought it was meant to slow down the movement so i don't zoom too fast all over the session view.

if there's anything that you think i can do to make the navigator key work easier, and not as i say 'go nuts' too often, i'd be really happy

and the send 2 - as you can see i got it coming out of 9 on the route box, but my mfl skills aren't good enough to make it different from send 1. at the moment it still controls send 1

many thanks for your continued assistance




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Re: session view navigation with navpad?

Postby TheOtherSupport@KMI » Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:59 am

Here ya go:
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I feel silly now, there was some faulty math in the patch I sent you. I also added some data thinning stuff to make it more efficient. When I tried using my feet to actually control it, it was pretty impossible, so I also added something that locks out other corners of the key when you are pressing one down. It's at least usable now (I think).
I fixed the send thing. You were using a variable ($2 in your patch) to define which send you wanted to control. You weren't sending a list into the message to define the variable, so it defaults to 0, which is the first send in the track. I simply defined the sends explicitly.
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Re: session view navigation with navpad?

Postby slatepipe » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:24 am

hi - hey this looks great. i haven't got my softstep with me at the moment as i'm at work and i only got my laptop so i can't test it but i'll test it later when i get home.

many thanks for this, i'll let you know how it goes :)
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Re: session view navigation with navpad?

Postby TheOtherSupport@KMI » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:38 am

Your welcome! I might end up adding this navigation stuff to my own set ;)

Do let me know how it works out.
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Re: session view navigation with navpad?

Postby slatepipe » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:42 am

hi there

sorry to not reply sooner.

thanks again for the patch - i got it working pretty well the other day - i just needed to change a number in the navigation patch you made, it needed to be 63 not 64. i dont understand the message lockout subpatch at the moment but im not complaining as it works :)

as i think you mentioned, having the navigation on one button is still a bit fiddly so i'll be looking to improve that in some way in the near future with some filtering or smoothing or something but for now i've made a workaround by making another four buttons available for navigation on another preset, so depending on what i happen to be doing in the set, i can choose between the two methods of navigation

i was slowly making the transition to the softstep from using my FCB1010 but now i think im going to start using it pretty constantly as i spilled beer on my fcb the other day and one of the buttons has packed in :x i'm actually performing at a festival this weekend in germany as well so this will be the first live outing for the softstep .... fingers crossed

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