Smooth X/Y response with Live

se_are
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Smooth X/Y response with Live

Postby se_are » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:52 am

Hello,

with release of 1.2 my most hated problem of sistematic crash when trying to update the templates got solved and I could finally start using the QuNeo!!!

I tried to map the X/Y of a pad to an auto filter frequency and response. This is one of the uses I supported the project for.

Unfortunately the response is not good at all. It flichers, it gets stucked and it's not usable at all.
I've tried different settings and sensitivities but no luck at all.
I'm a beginner with MIDI, but I've read that ableton has some kind of limitation with aftertouch signals.

Is this the cause of my issue??

Do someone has a good set of settings to achieve a smooth X/Y response??

Thanks and best regards,

Sergio
demcanulty
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Re: Smooth X/Y response with Live

Postby demcanulty » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:57 pm

Sergio, I don' t know Live very well, but if you use a midi monitor program, you can examine the raw midi messages going out of the Quneo. I like to use the editor to turn off all the different items coming out of a key and just examine one thing, like x or y. Looking at the raw CCs should give you an idea of what level of control you can potentially obtain in a program like Live.
se_are
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Re: Smooth X/Y response with Live

Postby se_are » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:02 am

Hi Demcanulty,

thanks for the reply. It is a really good idea!
Tonight I will try to do it. I really hope is just a matter of interaction with Ableton and this is the way to make sure about it.

Thanks again and best regards,

Sergio
se_are
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Re: Smooth X/Y response with Live

Postby se_are » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:00 am

Hello,

I tried what has been suggested and this is me sliding only on the X axis from SW to SE corner.

00042EE2 8 -- B5 7F 00 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042F3C 8 -- B5 7F 01 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042F43 8 -- B5 7F 03 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042F56 8 -- B5 7F 05 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042F5E 8 -- B5 7F 07 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042F70 8 -- B5 7F 09 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042F81 8 -- B5 7F 0C 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042F89 8 -- B5 7F 0F 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042F9D 8 -- B5 7F 13 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042FA5 8 -- B5 7F 16 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042FB7 8 -- B5 7F 1A 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042FC8 8 -- B5 7F 1E 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042FD0 8 -- B5 7F 22 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042FE4 8 -- B5 7F 26 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042FEC 8 -- B5 7F 2A 6 --- CC: Poly On
00042FFE 8 -- B5 7F 2E 6 --- CC: Poly On
0004300E 8 -- B5 7F 32 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043018 8 -- B5 7F 34 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043029 8 -- B5 7F 37 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043032 8 -- B5 7F 39 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043045 8 -- B5 7F 3A 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043055 8 -- B5 7F 3C 6 --- CC: Poly On
0004305F 8 -- B5 7F 3D 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043070 8 -- B5 7F 3E 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043078 8 -- B5 7F 3F 6 --- CC: Poly On
000430A5 8 -- B5 7F 41 6 --- CC: Poly On
000430D0 8 -- B5 7F 44 6 --- CC: Poly On
000430E2 8 -- B5 7F 47 6 --- CC: Poly On
000430EC 8 -- B5 7F 4A 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043115 8 -- B5 7F 4E 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043142 8 -- B5 7F 52 6 --- CC: Poly On
0004314B 8 -- B5 7F 56 6 --- CC: Poly On
0004315C 8 -- B5 7F 5A 6 --- CC: Poly On
0004316E 8 -- B5 7F 5E 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043191 8 -- B5 7F 62 6 --- CC: Poly On
000431A2 8 -- B5 7F 66 6 --- CC: Poly On
000431B4 8 -- B5 7F 67 6 --- CC: Poly On
000431BC 8 -- B5 7F 68 6 --- CC: Poly On
000431D8 8 -- B5 7F 6C 6 --- CC: Poly On
000431E9 8 -- B5 7F 70 6 --- CC: Poly On
000431FB 8 -- B5 7F 71 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043203 8 -- B5 7F 75 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043217 8 -- B5 7F 79 6 --- CC: Poly On
0004325B 8 -- B5 7F 7D 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043264 8 -- B5 7F 7F 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043989 8 -- B5 7F 00 6 --- CC: Poly On
00043989 8 -- B5 7F 00 6 --- CC: Poly On

It's really cool! It's much better than I though!
I've found out that you need continuos pressure and you have to press it stronger than a touchscreen let's say.
This is because the LATCH doesn't work for me even if I had at first the literal "latch" in the control of the pad and then tried to change it to zero as suggested on manual.

I'm trying to go for sensitivity topped but I'd really need to rely on LATCH functionality.

Is this a know issue and has it already been worked around somehow???

So glad I can finally use my quneo and it is taking me so long just to get one thing to work AS I WISH. I'm serious eheheheh.

Cheers to everyone,

Sergio
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Re: Smooth X/Y response with Live

Postby KinBlu » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:55 pm

Glad to hear response is smoother than you expected!

I didn't understand your question ... just to be sure tho, latch on the pads is achieved by setting return values to -1 not 0.

That help?
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Re: Smooth X/Y response with Live

Postby se_are » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:23 am

Hi KinBlu,

thanks for comment.

So what I want to achieve is the capability to map an x/y controller (Let's say autofilter in Live) to a single pad.
It has to be the smoothest and fastest response.
Experimenting yesterday I found that response is preatty regular altough a little bit choppy while the speed in which I could get from 0 to 127 could not really keep up.
I haven't tried -1 as return value.
Today, after work, I will leave for two weeks of diving in thailand :D so I will try when I'll get back home.

For the holidays I got myself a copy of AniMoog to keep producing :D.

Best regards,

Sergio
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Re: Smooth X/Y response with Live

Postby Stevee00 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:03 am

I've been playing with the same thing--trying to get an x/y pad to smoothly control an x/y in Live. Started out very ugly, and I almost gave up on the QuNeo. But with some persistence, and careful examination of the Manual, I managed to get it to work. Even then, it takes some practice to learn what type of finger pressure gets the best results. (Then it stopped working!?!)

Make sure you play with the sensitivity settings on the Advanced Tab for each pad. Threshold and the velocity table are where it's at.

The -1 latch trick is buried in the Manual. KMI guys: how about putting that one higher up, and in the FAQ. "I can't get the pads to latch." The answer is to put -1 in the Return field, and it works. It says "latch" in the field. Same goes for PITCH BEND, which you get when you put -2 in the x and/or y fields (for drum mode).

QuNeo is a novel and ambitious new controller. The manual is very clear on some things, murky on others, and is full of statements that really require a lot more explanation. Trial and error can sometimes reveal the secrets of this thing, but not always. Combined with the fact that the software is still buggy makes it even more important to get the manual right. The video tutorials aren't enough--at the time when you're programming pads and troubleshooting is not the time to go back to a video. You need a reliable manual. PLEASE, guys, put a manual re-write/update in your production schedule, along with fixing the bugs.

Steve
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Re: Smooth X/Y response with Live

Postby KinBlu » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:26 pm

Wow! -2 for pitch bend!! Thanks!!

Is there a code for pressure to aftertouch?

Also, I'm working on a live setup that uses x, y to select switch between chains in a instrument group. I'd like each pad corner to play a different chain. It works fine sometimes but often the x, y doesn't change quick enough to switch chains at the time of hit. Will increased sencitivity help x, y values jump quicker to where my finger presses? Can I do that somehow without changing velocity sencitivity?
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Re: Smooth X/Y response with Live

Postby Stevee00 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:21 pm

Kinbu,

Play with the settings of the MIDI mappings in Live. And play with sensitivities. As I understand it, sensitivity rules the response of the pad to your finger pressure, not speed. In the mapping settings, usually toggles go from 64 to 127, but if you set it to start at 1 it kicks in faster. Try it.

I'm not aware of a hardwired code to aftertouch. Isn't there a standard MIDI CC for aftertouch?

Steve
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Re: Smooth X/Y response with Live

Postby kazakore » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:44 am

KinBlu wrote:Also, I'm working on a live setup that uses x, y to select switch between chains in a instrument group. I'd like each pad corner to play a different chain.


Why not use Grid Mode then? Where each pad has four zones you can easily trigger. Probably easier than converting XY data to your requirements.

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